The concept of different hook points, is not new. Tom Torero had once mentioned it, and it is “scientifically” showcased in the documentary bellow.
Observe how this speedating experiment goes for a little bit. First, they ask participants to just stare at each other and rate them; that is the sexual hook point. Then, they give them the normal 3-minute opportunity to chat. This measures the effect of verbals.
Excuse the chinese subs. It is not easy to find old documentaries
The experiment itself goes for 10-15 minutes in the documentary, but the take-aways are the following:
- Girls’ initial score (appearance + non-verbals) would barely rise, but it could go down with verbals.
- Despite this, some girls were still chatty in the interaction and engaged (this is social hook point)
- This difference between original attraction (first score) and openness to engagement (chattiness), is the difference of the two hook points.
Therefore, we arrive at the blackpill conclusion, that looks is all, and what we do in set doesn’t matter. Meh… I personally disagree with this conclusion, but there is certainly an element of truth in it. Let’s put this under the microscope.
The process of Seduction
Mystery was an underrated genius, and his book, Mystery Method, should still be a mandatory reading for all aspiring PUAs. Not in the sense of advocating routines or Negs (albeit a misunderstood concept), but on his codification of Seduction. The sequence of Attraction → Comfort → Seduction remains the golden sequence in every model that respects itself.
Therefore, when we do Game, what exactly do we do? Where is our agency, and what is our effect on girls? Well, it roughly goes like this:
- Initial engagement: As observed in the documentary, the unconscious, or the reptilian brain, needs to give you the initial pass. Only, and only then, she will stick and chat with you. Otherwise, it is a blowout.
- Attraction phase: It aims to elevate the position from point 1 (i.e., confirm and elevate expectations).
- Comfort phase: It aims to solidify and ground the advantages of 1 and 2 (i.e., this is real).
- Seduction phase: This is where sexual escalation takes place.
Now, I can formalize my disagreement with the BBC experiment and explain why the blackpill viewpoint is false.
In the experiment, scientists correctly measured point 1; however, points 2-4 were measured from inadequate men, without the barest hint of skill and finesse.
There is no denying that the initial impression is hard to overcome in Daygame; Krauser had called it the acidity test in Mastery. But because the initial impression is out of our control, it doesn’t mean there is no work to be done later on. In practice, in Daygame, we reach sexual hook point only after we have reached social hook point. The true process is:
Stop → Stack (social hook point) → Vibing (sexual hookpoint)
How do we know this? Because we can initiate Kino only after there is some sexual attraction. The girl won’t allow it otherwise; it is that simple. The Daygame model contradicts the assumption of the scientists on first impressions, because we back up our claims with actual escalation. The initial attraction is only a stepping stone, because (most of the time), we cannot just walk up to a girl and escalate her.
Aside: Daygame vs rest of Seduction
Here is where the pretentiousness of some other forms of Seduction is revealed. Status-based strategies, for example, Nightgame or Social circle game, often reach social hook points much more easily. This is either through the nature of the environment (i.e., there is no socially acceptable opportunity for point 1 filtering), or via social capital (i.e., it is beneficial for the girl to associate with you, without even wanting to fuck you).
The said Player thus gains access to a myriad of sets, but only engages and pursues the ones that also reach sexual hook point. Therefore, technically, he never gets rejected, and his closure rate is astronomical, maybe 30% or even 50%.
As you can already see, this is a farce. Said Player had countless interactions that he doesn’t count as sets because he never hit on them. He never hit on them precisely because they would had been blowouts. Even among the highly warm sets, he had 70%-50% fail rate. This is just masking rejection, not necessarily using a better strategy.
Formalization of concepts
With all this vague discussion of observations and loose definitions, let us now put everything together into concise and workable definitions
Social Hook point
It is when the girl becomes socially interested in the interaction. In a sense, she won’t leave. She will stick around to listen to you.
Sexual Hook point
When the girl is sexually engaged in the interaction. When her subcoms indicate sexual interest and lust.
Disclaimer: Just because you reached sexual hookpoint, doesn’t mean that the girl is ready to be taken to bed. It just means that the gradual path to escalation is now open.
There you have it, as a heuristic, social hook point is reached when she asks a question. As a second heuristic, sexual hook point is reached when she starts accepting your touch. Usually social hook point is reached within 1-2 minutes of the interaction, and sexual hook point is reached within 2-5 minutes of the interaction.
Not all hook points are equal
The idea of advanced seduction is as follows: social hook point is merely a stepping stone, sexual hook point is where the magic happens. If you have sexual hook point, nothing else matters; that is why lays have happened even when the girl speaks little English, that is why I personally had a lay even when the girl had verbalized to me “you are boring as fuck, we don’t match”.
On the other side of things, social hook point is not enough. This is the path that leads to let’s just be friends, or other forms of timewasters. It is your task as the player to clarify where you are standing, mainly via escalation or a direct statement of intent.
Calibrated escalation is the best tool for this. A few attempts at light touching will showcase the girl’s intent on how seriously she sees you. If she keeps avoiding or disengaging, take the hint that the set is going nowhere and eject. If things are harder to gauge, then a direct statement of your intent:
- I am hitting/flirting with you
- This is a date, I am considering you man to woman
- I like you, I want to kiss you
Or similar, depending on where you are with the set, should clarify to the girl that she needs to reveal her hand. The downside is, of course, that overt verbal escalation rarely goes well. Everything that can be overt, it is done better covertly in Seduction. Regardless, it is better to have a concrete idea on the direction of the set than wandering aimlessly. Take the risk if need be; setting the frame is more important here, despite the risks.
How to fish for sexual hook point
As per definition, sexual hook point means the path to escalation becomes open. This is why early kino is important in set, because it gauges whether you have reached said hook point. The best moments are along with an attraction spike, when she gives strong eye contact, or when you can close the distance with her. You need to indicate that this is man to woman and she needs to accept it.
It is risk-taking at the end of the day, albeit it can be a calculated risk. This is why escalation is in itself attractive, a concept from “sixty years of challenge”, an old PUA. Think of it from the girl’s point of view, she is talking to you and starts thinking you are sexually attractive. On that very moment, you lightly stroke the upper part of her arm or hold her hand. Yes, her head is about to explode. This is not normal behaviour, this is true Game.
Furthermore, this is the basis of why advanced Game is so fast and smooth. Escalation is not only an end in itself. It is an experience-enhancing mechanism. When you are moving the girl as you are making your point, or when you are holding her hand is being calculated into her experience of your words. Remember, girls are feelings first, logic second. Touch itself is setting the mood along with your words. It is a high-level mood setter! This is also why Sixty combined escalation and attraction into one!
In short, the initial attraction battle is about reaching sexual hook point. From then on, escalation, attraction and comfort can blend together into a self-propagating engine. This engine is the mechanism of fast lays!
